{"id":9276,"date":"2016-03-03T03:26:26","date_gmt":"2016-03-03T03:26:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/2016\/03\/03\/maxofs2d-darksnowfalling-warpedellipsis\/"},"modified":"2016-03-03T03:26:26","modified_gmt":"2016-03-03T03:26:26","slug":"maxofs2d-darksnowfalling-warpedellipsis","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/2016\/03\/03\/maxofs2d-darksnowfalling-warpedellipsis\/","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/maxofs2d.tumblr.com\/post\/137747920852\">maxofs2d<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/darksnowfalling.tumblr.com\/post\/123818070256\">darksnowfalling<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/warpedellipsis.tumblr.com\/post\/111100323936\">warpedellipsis<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/quasi-normalcy.tumblr.com\/post\/111044998730\">quasi-normalcy<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/meariver.tumblr.com\/post\/110995367438\">meariver<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/huntokar.tumblr.com\/post\/110939142131\">huntokar<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/quasi-normalcy.tumblr.com\/post\/110197885090\">quasi-normalcy<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>No, I\u2019m serious, if women all got together and went into electrical engineering or automotive repair en masse, then ten years later people would be talking about how it was a \u201csoft field\u201d and it would pay proportionately less than other fields.<\/p>\n<p>Likewise, if men moved en masse to bedeck themselves in sparkles and make-up, then suddenly you\u2019d get a bunch of editorials talking about how classy they look.<\/p>\n<p>None of these things are inherently masculine or feminine; none of these things inherently elevate you or drag you down. But whatever women are seen to do is automatically seen as being inherently more frivolous than anything men do. And shaming women for not pigeonholing themselves into a narrow range of acceptable \u201cmasculine\u201d behaviours is just going to result in the goalposts getting moved once again.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>This is literally what happened to basically every field women have entered. The opposite happens when men enter. Computers used to be a \u201cwoman thing\u201d until the guys who did it got really mad about how badly their job was viewed and realized they could fix it by forcing out women. <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Also happened\/ is happening with the fields of biology and psychology\u2026.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I honestly wonder how much of the backlash against public education in the last generation has been due to teaching becoming a woman-dominated profession.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Fashion used to be a men\u2019s thing. Then women got involved in the late 17\/1800\u2019s, so men went the other way because it came to be seen as \u201cfrivolous\u201d and \u201canti-intellectual\u201d to care about how you looked. Add in the homophobia that arose around that time, bam, staid bland dress. Ditto leggings\/tights, that are now called attention-whoring when on men they were required to show you cared about your figure and had the money to pay for such a fitted item.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>People want to say misogyny doesn\u2019t exist, that male privilege doesn\u2019t exist. Look beyond \u201cliving memory\u201d and you\u2019ll find that\u2019s what drives the \u201cinexplicable reversals\u201d society seems to make on many things. Hell, just look beyond your own society, and you\u2019ll find out that what\u2019s considered \u201cfor men\u201d elsewhere is held in high esteem while here it\u2019s scoffed at purely because it\u2019s \u201cfor women\u201d:\u00a0<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Skinny jeans are the height of masculinity in several east Asian societies, rather than being seen as \u201cgay\u201d in the USA because of their association with femininity.\u00a0<\/li>\n<li>Medical fields in Russia are valued like kindergarten teachers are here, because it\u2019s women who are the doctors instead of men.<\/li>\n<li>Love and romance are highly valued in eastern countries, because men are interested in it too\u2014of course they would be, surely you want to share your life with someone? Here, it\u2019s strictly a women\u2019s subject.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>The field of anthropology as a whole illustrates this.<\/p>\n<p>Significantly higher proportions of females compared to males are currently entering the fields of archaeology and biological anthropology, and as this occurs, the prestige, funding, acceptance as valid kinds of science, etc, are fading quickly.<\/p>\n<p>This has already occurred with linguistic anthropology and cultural anthropology. Cultural anthropology in particular went VERY quickly from being seen as a manly, scientific discipline (e.g., Franz Boas,\u00a0Bronis\u0142aw Malinowski) to being seen as a touchy-feely female thing.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Let\u2019s examine a traditionally male-dominated role that is very well-respected, and well-paid, in many parts of the world \u2014 that of a doctor. In the UK, it is listed as <a href=\"http:\/\/cratesandribbons.com\/2013\/12\/13\/patriarchys-magic-trick-how-anything-perceived-as-womens-work-immediately-sheds-its-value\/www.careerbuilder.co.uk\/blog\/2008\/01\/24\/britains-top-10-salaries\/\">one of the top ten lucrative careers<\/a>, and the average annual income of a family doctor in the US is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.healthcare-salaries.com\/physicians\/medical-doctor-salary-md\">well into six figures<\/a>. It also confers on you significant social status, and a common stereotype in Asian communities is of parents encouraging their children to become doctors.<\/p>\n<p>One of my lecturers at university once presented us with this thought exercise: why are doctors so highly paid, and so well-respected? Our answers were predictable. Because they save lives, their skills are extremely important, and it takes years and years of education to become one. All sound, logical reasons. But these traits that doctors possess are universal. So why is it, she asked, that doctors in Russia are so lowly paid? <a href=\"http:\/\/english.pravda.ru\/society\/stories\/18-10-2010\/115411-doctors_russia_usa-0\/\">Making less than \u00a37,500 a year, it is one of the lowest paid professions in Russia<\/a>, and poorly respected at that. Why is this?<\/p>\n<p>The answer is crushingly, breathtakingly simple. In Russia, the majority of doctors are women. Here\u2019s a<a href=\"http:\/\/news.google.com\/newspapers?nid=932&amp;dat=19830710&amp;id=q6dPAAAAIBAJ&amp;sjid=slIDAAAAIBAJ&amp;pg=1687,604573\"> quote from Carol Schmidt<\/a>, a geriatric nurse practitioner who toured medical facilities in Moscow: \u201cTheir status and pay are more like our blue-collar workers, even though they require about the same amount of training as the American doctor\u2026 medical practice is stereotyped as a caring vocation \u2018naturally suited\u2018 to women, [which puts it at] a second-class level in the Soviet psyche.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>What this illustrates perfectly is this \u2014 women are not devalued in the job market because women\u2019s work is seen to have little value. It is the other way round. Women\u2019s work is devalued in the job market because women are seen to have little value. This means that anything a woman does, be it childcare, teaching, or doctoring, or rocket science, will be seen to be of less value simply because it is done mainly by women. It isn\u2019t that women choose jobs that are in lower-paid industries, it is that any industry that women dominate automatically becomes less respected and less well-paid.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/cratesandribbons.com\/2013\/12\/13\/patriarchys-magic-trick-how-anything-perceived-as-womens-work-immediately-sheds-its-value\/\">http:\/\/cratesandribbons.com\/2013\/12\/13\/patriarchys-magic-trick-how-anything-perceived-as-womens-work-immediately-sheds-its-value\/<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>maxofs2d: darksnowfalling: warpedellipsis: quasi-normalcy: meariver: huntokar: quasi-normalcy: No, I\u2019m serious, if women all got together and went into electrical engineering or automotive repair en masse, then ten years later people would be talking about how it was a \u201csoft field\u201d and it would pay proportionately less than other fields. Likewise, if men moved en masse &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/2016\/03\/03\/maxofs2d-darksnowfalling-warpedellipsis\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\"><\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[3286,869],"class_list":["post-9276","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-grr","tag-politics","without-featured-image"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9276","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=9276"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9276\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=9276"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=9276"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=9276"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}