{"id":9093,"date":"2016-03-16T01:27:29","date_gmt":"2016-03-16T01:27:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/2016\/03\/16\/thisisntgoodbi-wetwareproblem\/"},"modified":"2018-12-04T12:05:38","modified_gmt":"2018-12-04T12:05:38","slug":"thisisntgoodbi-wetwareproblem","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/2016\/03\/16\/thisisntgoodbi-wetwareproblem\/","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"<div id='gallery-1' class='gallery galleryid-9093 gallery-columns-3 gallery-size-thumbnail'><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon portrait'>\n\t\t\t\t<a href='http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/2016\/03\/16\/thisisntgoodbi-wetwareproblem\/attachment\/9094\/#main'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" src=\"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/tumblr_o1qjqsRHMg1rz955po1_1280-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/tumblr_o1qjqsRHMg1rz955po1_1280-150x150.jpg 150w, http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/tumblr_o1qjqsRHMg1rz955po1_1280-100x100.jpg 100w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/dt><\/dl>\n\t\t\t<br style='clear: both' \/>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/thisisntgoodbi.tumblr.com\/post\/141105637148\">thisisntgoodbi<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/wetwareproblem.tumblr.com\/post\/141104198256\">wetwareproblem<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/pining-for-bluebonnets.tumblr.com\/post\/138456405753\">pining-for-bluebonnets<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/radioactivecallista.tumblr.com\/post\/138455235940\">radioactivecallista<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/clarawebbwillcutoffyourhead.tumblr.com\/post\/138441150414\">clarawebbwillcutoffyourhead<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/askawelfarecaseworker.tumblr.com\/post\/138439361296\">askawelfarecaseworker<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/jmyers241.tumblr.com\/post\/138438174022\">jmyers241<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/askawelfarecaseworker.tumblr.com\/post\/138436005566\">askawelfarecaseworker<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/seagreen-seeblue.tumblr.com\/post\/138429932535\">seagreen-seeblue<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/jmyers241.tumblr.com\/post\/138427273902\">jmyers241<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/seagreen-seeblue.tumblr.com\/post\/138426521990\">seagreen-seeblue<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/askawelfarecaseworker.tumblr.com\/post\/138426083371\">askawelfarecaseworker<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/jmyers241.tumblr.com\/post\/138425211697\">jmyers241<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/askawelfarecaseworker.tumblr.com\/post\/138424797646\">askawelfarecaseworker<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><a class=\"tumblr_blog\" href=\"http:\/\/jmyers241.tumblr.com\/post\/138302856667\">jmyers241<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>awesome<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>If you\u2019re THAT pressed about it, I will personally refund you the $1 that comes out of your check for welfare programs.<\/p>\n<p>Also, even if no taxes were taken out, someone working 40 hrs\/week at $7.25\/hr would still be in poverty, so I don\u2019t even know what you\u2019re on about right now.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Got no problem with welfare for people that need it.  How many people are taking advantage of the system?  How many of them CAN work but choose not to work?  Lazy Americans.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>There are actual statistics on that if you decide to stop being A Lazy American\u2122 and go look them up.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>What\u2019s so funny is people thinking they know what other people need.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>So a 20year old healthy capable young man decides to claim a disability so he can get a check from the government instead of going out and working. This is okay?  <br \/>Seriously, do you guys think this is okay?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>What program are you referring to?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Clearly he is referring to the all-encompassing Welfare Program administered directly to Lazy Americans. No application process necessary, just show up and say \u201cI have the disability, hand me some cash\u201d and voila! It\u2019s lobster &amp; prime rib time.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Kinda feel like you still think I\u2019m talking about the entire welfare system and all of the recipients.  I am not.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>No, I think you\u2019re talking about Strawman McMythpants of Welfare Cheatsylvania. Especially since you\u2019re opining about How Many Lazy Americans Refuse to Get Jobs, but you\u2019re refusing to cite any sources beyond \u201cThis Totally Exists Because It Exists\u201d, published in the journal of It Feels True So It Must Be.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>It totally doesn\u2019t exist, welfare is difficult to access and doesn\u2019t even offer enough money to the minority of people who are able to get on it but tbqh if some 20 yr old who is totally able bodied and otherwise equipped for life (what does that even mean) somehow scammed the system (and what does that even mean) into giving them the pittance that welfare is <\/p>\n<p>SO FUCKING WHAT? <\/p>\n<p>Do you know how much food stamp money is unused every year? How many billions of dollars go to war jnstead of schools? I don\u2019t give a goddamn about anyone who might be scamming welfare, that is barely a drop in the \u201cunethical things money goes to\u201d category. I don\u2019t even think it should be unethical tbh.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\u201cSo a 20year old healthy capable young man decides to claim a disability<br \/>\nso he can get a check from the government instead of going out and<br \/>\nworking. This is okay? \u201c<\/p>\n<p>Getting disability money is not easy. Simplified, there are two kinds, SSI and SSDI Both require that you actually have medical documentation of disability, so if they\u2019re faking, they have to put a lot of effort into faking over a long period of time. SSI is only available to those who are disabled <i>and<\/i> very, very poor &#8211; \u201cpoverty line\u201d isn\u2019t low enough on its own &#8211; and it\u2019s not much. Getting money through other benefit programs ends up reducing your SSI payments and you HAVE to apply for all of them to qualify for SSI. It\u2019s tough to get and pays out little. SSDI has a higher income limit, near the poverty line. To get SSDI you have to have worked for the equivalent of 10 years full-time over your lifetime with five of those years within the last ten, with some age-related exceptions (if you\u2019re 20 obviously they don\u2019t expect you to have 10 years\u2019 worth of full-time work, but you\u2019d have to have <i>some<\/i>, unless you were documented as disabled while still a minor; not sure exactly how much work is needed though). So that\u2019s not really an option either for a lot of people who just want to be lazy.<\/p>\n<p>Even if he did manage to game the system, he\u2019d have only $1000 or so monthly. In a low cost-of-living area that will pay for rent (in a crappy efficiency apartment, not renting a house or a nice two-bedroom apartment), utilities, a cheap phone plan, and essential groceries\/toiletries. With little to nothing left over. He\u2019ll have to be stingy with heating and cooling to keep the electric bill affordable. He won\u2019t be able to afford a car, or going out for entertainment with friends, or even ordering a pizza more than a few times a year. Not unless he gets a part-time job (full-time would usually make him lose his benefits). Say goodbye to clothes shopping at the mall, you have to go to Goodwill, and only buy what you really need. Etc. He\u2019ll get enough money to survive but he\u2019ll be in poverty or very close to it. That\u2019s not a huge reward even if it works, which it usually doesn\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p>You don\u2019t just walk into the social security office with a piece of paper from your doctor saying \u201cSo-and-so is disabled and can\u2019t work.\u201d There\u2019s a LOT more proof and paperwork needed and the process can take a year or two.<\/p>\n<p>This kind of fraud doesn\u2019t happen on a large scale. It\u2019s not non-existent but most people who get SSI and SSDI really do need it. Many of them, though, have invisible disabilities such as severe digestive disease, mental health problems, or disorders causing extreme fatigue varying in intensity day-to-day so when you see them they\u2019re on their best days and feeling almost okay for part of the day. A large portion of people getting disability benefits \u201cdon\u2019t <i>look<\/i> disabled.\u201d But all but a very small percentage <i>are<\/i> disabled.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Also worth noting: for SSDI, at least, not only does your own doctor have to provide documentation of your disability just to get your application looked at, they also send you to a doctor of their choosing to verify it. And 2\/3 of all applicants are denied the first time they apply. So yeah. If you\u2019re dedicated enough to faking a disability that you manage to actually get SSI\/SSDI, then by God, you can <i>have<\/i> that money.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Important note: It is impossible to design any system of any sort where multiple people do a thing together that is impervious to fraud. If it is usable, it is gameable. This is security theory 101.<\/p>\n<p>The question, then, is how to minimize losses to cheaters. The answer, in the case of both unemployment insurance (1.9%) and medicaid (&lt;1%), is \u201cpretty damn well.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Furthermore, basically all \u201ceffective\u201d fraud prevention is only \u201ceffective\u201d because they throw the baby out with the bathwater: regulations are already too strict and still getting stricter because the only way to keep out Cheaters\u2122 is by denying everybody who Might Be Cheating.<\/p>\n<p>The reality is that our countries are wealthy enough to just give literally everybody a liveable income for literally nothing, and yet antisocialist hysteria and pure spite prevent even our most needy from accessing resources they need to Literally Not Die, just because \u201cwhat if someone cheats!!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Of course I\u2019m not surprised that folks would rather literally kill disabled people than be robbed of their illusion of moral superiority for Helping The Disableds\u2122 by giving aid to someone who doesn\u2019t meet their fetishistic standards.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I have heard of and SEEN FIRST HAND people who NEED DISABILITY and have been denied <i>three times<\/i>\u00a0(with six month waiting periods between each) before they were sent to a federal level and then <i>MAYBE<\/i>\u00a0they will get accepted for aid. And yeah, if they get approved, they get back pay&hellip; but what about those years that it takes to get help? How do they survive at all? IDK about you, but it\u2019s basically impossible to survive with $0 in the bank and $0 coming in unless you have someone else footing the bill. Usually family, who may not be able to afford it themselves, but need to. You know, since their loved ones can\u2019t work&hellip; but still need somewhere to live, still need food, still need the MEDICATION THAT MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO EVEN LIVE but WHATEVER RIGHT<\/p>\n<p>I mean yeah I have known people who use the money to buy drugs and pizza hut and let their kids live in squalor but you know\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I would rather pay taxes to help those who need help, even though there will be people who abuse it, than to let the others go without.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>thisisntgoodbi: wetwareproblem: pining-for-bluebonnets: radioactivecallista: clarawebbwillcutoffyourhead: askawelfarecaseworker: jmyers241: askawelfarecaseworker: seagreen-seeblue: jmyers241: seagreen-seeblue: askawelfarecaseworker: jmyers241: askawelfarecaseworker: jmyers241: awesome If you\u2019re THAT pressed about it, I will personally refund you the $1 that comes out of your check for welfare programs. Also, even if no taxes were taken out, someone working 40 hrs\/week at $7.25\/hr would still be &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/2016\/03\/16\/thisisntgoodbi-wetwareproblem\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\"><\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"gallery","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[3332,869],"class_list":["post-9093","post","type-post","status-publish","format-gallery","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-grrr","tag-politics","post_format-post-format-gallery","without-featured-image"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9093","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=9093"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9093\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":9095,"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9093\/revisions\/9095"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=9093"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=9093"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/archive.gabapple.com\/tumblr\/gabapple\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=9093"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}